As a vigorous advocate for the 'over' faction, I am pleased to find my viewpoint verified and vindicated (if I may indulge in a bit of alliteration).
It is best, in such debates, to return to original sources, and there can be nothing more original in this case than the patent application in 1891 for the toilet paper roll, from which the accompanying illustration is taken.
I hope to hear no more of your nonsense, Under-People.
Update: In the interests of fairness, I must include this recent statement from Under HQ:
This alleged 'patent application' is clearly a result of photoshopping. We will battle on, fully confident of our final victory.Defections from their ranks, however, are reported to be numerous.